ABPA - Australian Bush Poets Association

[quote="Terry"] it does give you a bit of personal satisfaction if you sense that your writing's improving.

I second that Terry.

I just love it when there is obviously nothing on TV and everyone comes here instead to talk intelligent stuff!

Footballs on Austar half time thats all.

The tigers are cutting them to pieces.

See ya,

Bob

You fixed it Marty - you cheeky rascal!

One of Australia's top poets once told me that everybody should consider having their work critiqued, because it doesn't matter how good you are or how long you have been writing we all miss silly little things.

I often wonder about poems of mine that have been entered in comps without a critique that have picked up a small award would they have done better If I'd of had someone give them a quick critique, especially for my punctuation, probably not, but at least the punctuation would have no doubt been better.

I also agree with something Leonie said you have to make your own judgement, but for myself I can't see anything wrong with a critique as long as that's all it is.

Terry

I used to edit a newsletter and found the best way of picking up mistakes was to simply read it out aloud because you then "hear" the error that you may not see.

One trick I have learnt with poetry is to use different colours to highlight things and sometimes I see if I have over used a word or done something else silly.

Heather

love ya, Bob Pacey!
carol

G/day Carol,
You do realize that you're in serious danger of becoming hooked on the forum don't you?

Cheers Terry

G’daay All,

Like many others, I spend a fair amount of time trying to help budding poets, & also, to some extent, established ones, at times. I think that because we are all passionate about our craft this is a natural enough response. In effect we all become each other’s ‘tutors’. If you look at any accomplished person in any field of life, you will doubtless see that they were consistently coached, in order to help them arrive at being ‘accomplished’. Take our Olympic medallists. Should they hand back their medals because they were coached…& further coached? How else are we to all learn our craft if those with knowledge do not pass that knowledge on?

I have long held the view that a primary goal of festival organisers should be to help writers improve. To this end I applaud Carol Heuchan as a judge because she takes the (interminable) time to offer critique pretty much to every entrant in a written competition. In my own case, in my very early days, it was a similarly dedicated judge who saved me from abandoning Bush Poetry altogether. I had not figured in the top 10 places of a high profile written comp, & therefore concluded that I ‘wasn’t much chop’ at this game. His short critique & suggestion that I ‘study my craft’ encouraged me to persist. Today, I remain ever grateful to him, & to the highly skilled poets who took the time & effort to coach me.

I think we have hit on the core issue here, with ‘publicly’ assisting. I usually assist privately, & always encourage the ‘assistee’ (?) to see my suggestions as just that….suggestions. I have indeed re-written a line or two, but with the express purpose of seeing that as a demonstration of what could be altered. Rarely have I seen an adapted draft from someone I’ve assisted, include any of my suggested re-writes. Rather, they have moulded same into their own words, which any credible poet would likely prefer to do in any case.

Entering written competitions is an important part of our ‘apprenticeship’…very important. I should be most disheartened if personality clashes were to undermine this valuable asset to our writers. Take the attitude to ‘have a go’ & then keep on ‘having a go’…& asking for help….until. In every single instance of my assisting another poet, I have learned something valuable myself….not to mention the bonza friends I have made during the course of ‘assisting’.

Take my word for it. Entering these comps will see you grow & improve. Just stay rigidly focused on the goal…..to be the best that you can be….for yourself, & for the continuation of our craft’s contribution to the world.

Loveyasall
Glenny

Carol is obviously a connoisseur of the noble art of Rugby League and no doubt a Tigers supporter.


I'm a true blue Queenslander and a die hard bronco's man but love the style of football the tigers play, very few tries scored off kicks and always an air of expectation when Marshall or Farrah have the ball in their hands.

The other rule is to Hate Manly with a vengence.


Bob