Cowboy poetry

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Cowboy poetry

Post by Neville Briggs » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:53 pm

I heard a very interesting program on the ABC Radio National to-day. It was about a man by the name of John Lomax who collected songs from cowboys, rural workers and goal prisoners in the American west.

John Lomax was born just after the American Civil War and he managed to meet the cowboys from the age of Wyatt Earp and Billy the Kid and so forth.
He collected their home made songs and what I suppose you might call bush poetry.
A lot of lonely cowboys yippy yi yowin on lonesome prairies with their dogies. :lol:

The most interesting items in the program were recordings made by Lomax in the early part of the 20th century, in situ, so to speak. To cowboy meeting places he took an early Edison wax cylinder gizmo and persuaded the cowboys to sort of shout down a tin cyclinder to record their songs. So to-day we can hear the authentic voices of early American " bush poets " with their original performances.
These things have been carefully preserved by the American Government as their cultural heritage.

We don't seem to have the same thing in Australia, unfortunately. Careful recording of old originals that is.
There's a couple of recordings of Banjo Paterson maybe and one of Dorothea Mckellar
How interesting it would be to hear Henry Lawson reciting The Men we might have Been.
or Adam Lindsay Gordon doing The Sick Stockrider, C.J.Dennis doing The Play.( I don't know if he was ever recorded ) or Patrick Hartigan reading Said Hanrahan. Even recordings of some of the old country people who recited these things way back in those days would be something to treasure.
I wonder what efforts our Government would be interested in to preserve as our cultural poetic or song heritage. Probably none.

Another thought that I had about the program was how similar in some ways the cowboy song tradition was to the Australian bush poetry, yet how different. Similar experiences of wide outdoors, hard life with stock and pioneering spirit, but very different modes of expression used. I don't think that the two could live side by side that well.
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Re: Cowboy poetry

Post by Bob Pacey » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:02 pm

Cowboy poets have been around for years Nev ! have a listen to Walt Perriman on utube.


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Post by Vic Jefferies » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:06 pm

Neville The Australian National Library have an extensive collection of Australian "folk" recordings and conduct an ongoing program of recording Australian material.
John Meredith was one of those responsible for collecting original Australian folk songs and poetry.
However, I agree there has been far greater emphasis on the collection and preservation of American folklore and folk history than has been the case in our country.
I suggest it is worthwhile having a look at the cowboypoetry.com web site.

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Post by Maureen K Clifford » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:13 pm

Check some of the best Cowboy Poetry out here Neville - it is a terrific site.


http://www.cowboypoetry.com/
Check out The Scribbly Bark Poets blog site here -
http://scribblybarkpoetry.blogspot.com.au/


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Re: Cowboy poetry

Post by Bob Pacey » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:34 pm

Wow just checked Maureen and hey have listed another of my poems, at this rate i will have to learn how to say Howdy pardner !



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Re: Cowboy poetry

Post by Neville Briggs » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:18 am

G'day Vic, I didn't know about about that, sounds interesting. I wonder how far back they go.

Thanks for the replies Bob, Maureen. I'm not real keen on cowboy poetry.I'll check out your suggestions and see. My grandfather was a Yank, more L'il Abner than cowboy, though he was an experienced horseman, and loved the Aussie bush.

What interested me greatly in the radio program was the fact that the material was far back and close to the original. I have a special interest in authentic presentation of old music and research into revising artistic things close to their original intent.

In our performance of what we call classical bush poetry, are we recreating the original intent of lively energetic declamatory verse after years of staid humdrum " recitation " ( if you know what I mean ) Some people think we don't need to ask. I'm a history nerd ,I ask. :lol:
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Re: Cowboy poetry

Post by Stephen Whiteside » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:09 am

Neville, you have stumbled onto a BIG THING here. Back in the 80s, there was a push to start an Australian Folklore and Folklife Centre, and an inquiry was held with a view to doing this. Alas, it never eventuated. I think multiculturalism was hitting its straps around the same time, and won the day. It's a shame we couldn't have done both.

I don't know if you know Keith McKenry. He is a poet, reciter and author. For many years he was based in Canberra, but he now lives in Victoria. He was also Chairman of the National Folk Festival for many years.

Keith was very involved in the Folklife Inquiry, and asked me to make a submission, which I duly did.

Fortunately, there have been a few heroic individuals over the years who have managed to carry out field work (collecting songs, etc.) with little or no support. Bill Scott was one. John Meredith was another. There have been quite a few others. (Of course, Banjo Paterson played a key role in all of this, too.)

Keith McKenry recently received a substantial research grant from the National Library to write a biography of John Meredith. It has been completed, but has not yet been published.
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Post by Stephen Whiteside » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:14 am

By the way, Neville, you might like to check out this link for the Australian Folklore Association:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~cknow/AFA.html
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Post by David Campbell » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:52 am

For those who haven't picked it up yet, if you check out the 'Events' section of the website you'll find that Hunter Bush Poets are running an international (basically Australia and America) Cowboy Poetry Rodeo at Morisset in October this year. There's an associated written competition (closing 18/09). This is open to "Bush Poetry or Cowboy Poetry", and there's a detailed description of what can be included under these headings for the purposes of this particular competition.

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Re: Cowboy poetry

Post by Neville Briggs » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:40 pm

David I did see the Hunter event advertised. Doesn't interest me.

Thanks Stephen. I don't know Keith McKenry. Sounds like he suffered the usual Australian lack of support for things other than sport.

I also thought of how archival collecting could maybe take place in a small way in our own little neck of the woods.
For example, I have a CD made in 1991 at The LongYard in Tamworth ( in my maths that's 22 years ago ! ) Among the performers recorded are Charlee Marshall, Gertrude Skinner and John Philipson, I think these three are gone, and those who still refer to their poetry can have access to a live recording of the original intent. Manfred now and again features poetry by his mate Graham Fredriksen, I wonder if there is any record kept of Graham reading his work. Bruce Simpson is getting on a bit now, what do we have of his authentic voice for later times.


I think that's the sort of thing maybe we should try and keep somewhere.
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